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Council won’t wait to see school report
ANGRY: Andrew Rickett, chairman of governors at Townsend School
ANGRY: Andrew Rickett, chairman of governors at Townsend School

THE fate of Townsend School could be sealed before councillors see a report on whether education there has improved.

The chair of the governors is upset that Bournemouth Borough Councillors could go ahead with their plans to close the school before they have read its most recent Ofsted.

The council's main argument for the school closure has been that it provides an inadequate education for the pupils. But the council will not delay the meetings discussing school's fate.

Chair of the governors of Townsend School, Andrew Rickett, said: "Moving the meetings until after the report is published would mess up the council's timetable but it would be worth it for the sake of the children's future.

"This report is into the standard of education now, not two years ago, and we think it's really important they consider it.

"Their arguments are based on the standard of education being inadequate and if the report confirms the school no longer needs to be in special measures, they have lost that argument."

But Cllr Malcolm Davies, the council's cabinet member for education, said: "The timetable is set in stone. It is pointless to comment on the Ofsted report because it is hypothetical."

Inspectors visited the school in February and will produce a report on all aspects of the education provided at the school.

It is unlikely to be made public until after the Investing in People overview panel meeting on March 27 and the cabinet meeting on April 2.

The council press office later released a statement from Cllr Malcolm Davies saying: "If the Ofsted report is published before cabinet make their final decision we will take the findings into consideration along with the evidence and feedback from the statutory consultation."

A spokesman for Ofsted said: "Inspectors are required to provide oral feedback on the last day of an inspection so that the school is aware of the provisional judgements made by the inspection team.

"Inspection reports are subject to Ofsted's quality assurance checks and the report on Townsend Primary School will be published on our website in due course. Publication dates for inspection reports are not negotiated with schools or local authorities."

7:07am Thursday 20th March 2008

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Posted by: adrian fudge, boscombe east on 8:14am Thu 20 Mar 08
All this does ia confirm that there was no other intention but to close the school
Despite all the statements to the contrary they are pressing on regardless
To say that they cant wait for the report and then hold a special meeting does not stand up to scrutiny but there again they dont like their decisions to be scrutinised
Posted by: Lambertini, Poole on 8:20am Thu 20 Mar 08
Townsends fate was already sealed. I suspect a developer has already been promised the site (Shall we all try and guess who?)
Posted by: avant-provocateur, LOCAL on 9:32am Thu 20 Mar 08
I said many months ago that Townsend will become a refugee centre and the grounds will be developed for housing!!
No-one seemed to listen apart from the local lodges, counsellors and developers.
Posted by: Gastines, St.Malo ex Bournemouth on 10:34am Thu 20 Mar 08
As the last two inspections by Ofsted of Townsend school were carried out and the results published in 16 days and 14 days respectively, then there is no reason why this latest inspection result should not be published in time to be relevant to Townsend's future. It was incredibly fortuitous for those with an agenda to close Townsend school that the latest, speedy report on Queen's Park school was released and praised in the local press just in time to see it taken out of a 'Notice to Improve' order by Ofsted, therefore making it an acceptable alternative for Townsend pupils. Instead of sending them from one failing school to another. S.Davies, grandparent of 3 Townsend pupils.
Posted by: Peter Kazmierczak, Wimborne on 12:20pm Thu 20 Mar 08
I think it's very remiss of the Council not to take into account the recent OFSTED inspection of Townsend Primary.

I don't understand how Cllr Davies can say that the OFSTED report is "hypothetical". The Headteacher and Chair of Governors will have been given the main findings on the final day of the inspection.

It all seems very pig-headed for Councillors not to take this into consideration when making their decision on the future of Townsend.
Posted by: Nigel Gillespie, Bournemouth on 12:32pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Seems like the jury has passed sentence before they have heard and examined the evidence.This is a very poor council made up of men and women of no backbone and principles.
Posted by: avant-provocateur, LOCAL on 12:56pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Nigel Gillespie wrote:
Seems like the jury has passed sentence before they have heard and examined the evidence.This is a very poor council made up of men and women of no backbone and principles.
Find the common denominator.
·Counsellors = Freemasons
·Developers = Freemasons
·Senior Planning Council Officials = Freemasons
·Meeting place for Counsellors, Developers and Senior Planning Officials = Freemasons Lodges
·New development of Townsend by = your turn to guess
Posted by: omegaman, Bournemouth on 2:47pm Thu 20 Mar 08
avant-provocateur wrote:
Nigel Gillespie wrote: Seems like the jury has passed sentence before they have heard and examined the evidence.This is a very poor council made up of men and women of no backbone and principles.
Find the common denominator. ·Counsellors = Freemasons ·Developers = Freemasons ·Senior Planning Council Officials = Freemasons ·Meeting place for Counsellors, Developers and Senior Planning Officials = Freemasons Lodges ·New development of Townsend by = your turn to guess
This has to be just the silliest comment ever put on line.
Posted by: John, Poole on 2:58pm Thu 20 Mar 08
avant-provocateur wrote:
Nigel Gillespie wrote: Seems like the jury has passed sentence before they have heard and examined the evidence.This is a very poor council made up of men and women of no backbone and principles.
Find the common denominator. ·Counsellors = Freemasons ·Developers = Freemasons ·Senior Planning Council Officials = Freemasons ·Meeting place for Counsellors, Developers and Senior Planning Officials = Freemasons Lodges ·New development of Townsend by = your turn to guess
avant-provocateur = ALL SEEING EYE
JOHN,POOLE = ALL SEEING EYE
Crass Stupidity = ALL SEEING EYE
Fanatical view = ALL SEEING EYE
1st to accuse me of being a Freemason = your turn to guess
Posted by: Gastines, St.Malo ex Bournemouth on 3:06pm Thu 20 Mar 08
As I have no doubt the Councillors are aware, the publication date for the OFSTED report on Townsend School is 17th April. Seems a bit short sighted not to take this report into account particularly when the Councillors advise that the level of education is of prime concern?
Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 4:02pm Thu 20 Mar 08
For the sake of a few days, and the saving of a Primary School in the locality, the Council would wait, and delay their meeting by two weeks or so. They must already know that the Ofsted report shows good progress as they would have been informed of this through the LEA at the end of the Ofsted Inspection.

It appears that the Council have already made their decision probably even before the latest Ofsted Report. In particular talking of pupils moving to Queens Park, and I believe Malmesbury Park in Luther Road. The headmaster apparently offered places for two thirds of the school. In a school which is already over the classroom standard levels.

Townsend School, a prime site for development maybe, but is not the school more important, in particular as attended by those who live on the estate. They now will have to walk some distance and cross the very busy Castle Lane West.

It is obvious that someones pockets, Mr. Davies perhaps is being lined hansomely.

Bournemouth Council do everyone a favour and wait for the Ofsted Report.

Posted by: philly, bournemouth on 5:05pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Perhaps the only school in the area that never had a traffic problem at pick up time. Probably because everyone lived within walking distance. How many more cars will be on the road now to get these children to the other schools & how much worse the parking will be around them!!!
Posted by: Gastines, St.Malo ex Bournemouth on 5:14pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Please note that I am against the closure of this School,desperately needed for this neglected community and although sharing a surname with someone mentioned above,will not be lining anything.
Posted by: Clarance, Bournemouth on 5:48pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Pointless putting a comment on about this - so an observation - yet another council wheeler-dealing piece of work.
Done deal - and the community is well dun!
Posted by: omegaman, Bournemouth on 2:59pm Fri 21 Mar 08
Christopher wrote:
For the sake of a few days, and the saving of a Primary School in the locality, the Council would wait, and delay their meeting by two weeks or so. They must already know that the Ofsted report shows good progress as they would have been informed of this through the LEA at the end of the Ofsted Inspection. It appears that the Council have already made their decision probably even before the latest Ofsted Report. In particular talking of pupils moving to Queens Park, and I believe Malmesbury Park in Luther Road. The headmaster apparently offered places for two thirds of the school. In a school which is already over the classroom standard levels. Townsend School, a prime site for development maybe, but is not the school more important, in particular as attended by those who live on the estate. They now will have to walk some distance and cross the very busy Castle Lane West. It is obvious that someones pockets, Mr. Davies perhaps is being lined hansomely. Bournemouth Council do everyone a favour and wait for the Ofsted Report.
Townsend - a prime site for development. Just shows you know nothing about development.I expect you are the fiddle as much as anyone else as you are so keen to accuse all and sundry without any knowledge of the subject at all.Of course the school should be kept open and that is why many councillors voted that way. Others felt diffently but that does not mean they on the fiddle. It is people like you who bring local government into disrepute and not the coouncillors who have different views amongst themselves on most subjects.
Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 4:10pm Fri 21 Mar 08
Omegaman, my god you are such a bore. Obviously someone within, working close with the Council.

My referral to the lining of the pockets was speaking metropholically which even someone of your calibre would have noticed that I am not the only one who talks of this.

I do know quite abit about the schools concerned, and know from a very reliable source that what I said was said by those concerned.

What fiddle to you reckon I am on then, because as a someone who has nothing to do with the council or the education authority I do not know where you get this hideous idea from. I may not know much about development (no doubt you do)(I wonder who you really are), but anyone would know that a prime site of a school no longer in used would be raised to the ground and used for some other DEVELOPMENT.

I feel sad for you in some way because I find it hard to ascertain why you have this common practice of responding to peoples post in such a negative way, more so when nothing is said against your self. Look back through your comments on this subject and many others. It is hard to find a comment that relates to the matter in hand without some comment against another member of the forum.

Posted by: avant-provocateur, LOCAL on 4:52pm Fri 21 Mar 08
John wrote:
avant-provocateur wrote:
Nigel Gillespie wrote: Seems like the jury has passed sentence before they have heard and examined the evidence.This is a very poor council made up of men and women of no backbone and principles.
Find the common denominator. ·Counsellors = Freemasons ·Developers = Freemasons ·Senior Planning Council Officials = Freemasons ·Meeting place for Counsellors, Developers and Senior Planning Officials = Freemasons Lodges ·New development of Townsend by = your turn to guess
avant-provocateur = ALL SEEING EYE JOHN,POOLE = ALL SEEING EYE Crass Stupidity = ALL SEEING EYE Fanatical view = ALL SEEING EYE 1st to accuse me of being a Freemason = your turn to guess
John of Poole = Sad idiotic ostrich with head well in the ground who lets anyone walk all over him!!
Wait for a year and see the school become a refugee centre and the grounds being developed for housing.
How the for a constructive statement. Oh by the way both projects will have freemasons to the fore with bulging pockets -ok?
Posted by: avant-provocateur, LOCAL on 4:53pm Fri 21 Mar 08
*'Hows that'
Posted by: omegaman, Bournemouth on 5:54pm Fri 21 Mar 08
Christopher wrote:
Omegaman, my god you are such a bore. Obviously someone within, working close with the Council. My referral to the lining of the pockets was speaking metropholically which even someone of your calibre would have noticed that I am not the only one who talks of this. I do know quite abit about the schools concerned, and know from a very reliable source that what I said was said by those concerned. What fiddle to you reckon I am on then, because as a someone who has nothing to do with the council or the education authority I do not know where you get this hideous idea from. I may not know much about development (no doubt you do)(I wonder who you really are), but anyone would know that a prime site of a school no longer in used would be raised to the ground and used for some other DEVELOPMENT. I feel sad for you in some way because I find it hard to ascertain why you have this common practice of responding to peoples post in such a negative way, more so when nothing is said against your self. Look back through your comments on this subject and many others. It is hard to find a comment that relates to the matter in hand without some comment against another member of the forum.
If you read most of my comment they are either constuctive to or critical of the issue. What I don't do is make stupid assumptions about freemasons or people on the take which have no foundation except beng the ravings of a few lunatics.However its needs to be understood that I am far more intelligent than most contributors and easliy more informed. This is not as you will no doubt reply because I am a councillor,a freemason or even a developer.It is beacuse I am Bournemouth born and bred and have followed events in this town all my life.
Posted by: avant-provocateur, LOCAL on 9:48pm Fri 21 Mar 08
omegaman wrote:
Christopher wrote: Omegaman, my god you are such a bore. Obviously someone within, working close with the Council. My referral to the lining of the pockets was speaking metropholically which even someone of your calibre would have noticed that I am not the only one who talks of this. I do know quite abit about the schools concerned, and know from a very reliable source that what I said was said by those concerned. What fiddle to you reckon I am on then, because as a someone who has nothing to do with the council or the education authority I do not know where you get this hideous idea from. I may not know much about development (no doubt you do)(I wonder who you really are), but anyone would know that a prime site of a school no longer in used would be raised to the ground and used for some other DEVELOPMENT. I feel sad for you in some way because I find it hard to ascertain why you have this common practice of responding to peoples post in such a negative way, more so when nothing is said against your self. Look back through your comments on this subject and many others. It is hard to find a comment that relates to the matter in hand without some comment against another member of the forum.
If you read most of my comment they are either constuctive to or critical of the issue. What I don't do is make stupid assumptions about freemasons or people on the take which have no foundation except beng the ravings of a few lunatics.However its needs to be understood that I am far more intelligent than most contributors and easliy more informed. This is not as you will no doubt reply because I am a councillor,a freemason or even a developer.It is beacuse I am Bournemouth born and bred and have followed events in this town all my life.
Ignore. This a ranting by a madman.
Posted by: John, Poole on 11:15am Sat 22 Mar 08
avant-provocateur
I am happy to ignore your ranting by a madman, as you suggest!
You previously accuse me of 'burying my head in the sand' or put another way 'digging my own grave' I am, however, surprised that you did not also take the opportunity of accusing me of making my own gravestone, as you would expect a Freemason to do!
Incidentally, where does your assumed name,avant-provocate
ur, come from? As with most of what you write it means nothing to me.
Posted by: avant-provocateur, LOCAL on 12:42pm Sat 22 Mar 08
John wrote:
avant-provocateur I am happy to ignore your ranting by a madman, as you suggest! You previously accuse me of 'burying my head in the sand' or put another way 'digging my own grave' I am, however, surprised that you did not also take the opportunity of accusing me of making my own gravestone, as you would expect a Freemason to do! Incidentally, where does your assumed name,avant-provocate ur, come from? As with most of what you write it means nothing to me.
Get a dictionary dear boy and learn - you are obviously uneducated.
Posted by: John, Poole on 1:00pm Sat 22 Mar 08
avant-provocateur
My dictionary does not contain the word avant-provocateur, so I am,on this occasion,prepared to be educated by you, if you know the answer to my question.
Posted by: avant-provocateur, LOCAL on 3:09pm Sat 22 Mar 08
John wrote:
avant-provocateur My dictionary does not contain the word avant-provocateur, so I am,on this occasion,prepared to be educated by you, if you know the answer to my question.
avant-garde
applied to cutting-edge or radically innovative movements in art, music and literature; figuratively "on the edge", literally, a military term, meaning "vanguard" (which is the deformation of avant-garde) or "advance guard", in other words, "first to attack" (plural avant-gardes; antonym of arrière-garde).

agent provocateur
a police spy who infiltrates a group to disrupt or discredit it.

The word avant- provocateur derives from two words in the French language and means= INFILTRATOR WHO IS FIRST TO ATTACK OR DISCREDIT = hope you have learnt something.
DOH!!!
Posted by: John, Poole on 3:23pm Sat 22 Mar 08
avant-provocateur
No wonder I could not find avant-provocateur in my dictionary.Are you sure it is not just an invention of your imagination?
Perhaps, you would now be so kind as to give your dictionary definition of ALL SEEING EYE!
Unlike you, I am always ready to listen to reason and to learn.
Posted by: avant-provocateur, LOCAL on 4:01pm Sat 22 Mar 08
YOU WOULD BE BETTER ASKING THAT PERSON!!!

NEVER REALISED THERE WAS SOMEONE SO THICK THAT LIVED IN POOLE AND I THOUGH THE EDUCATION SYSTEM WAS FAIRLY GOOD THERE. STILL ONE LUNITIC DOESN'T MAKE AN ASYLUM, I SUPPOSE YOU ARE OUT ON GOOD BEHAVIOR ON A SATURDAY.
YES I AM SHOUTING BECAUSE YOU ARE SO DARN THICK!!
Posted by: John, Poole on 6:15pm Sat 22 Mar 08
CALM DOWN,CALM DOWN...and then I might begin to comprehend what you have written.Though you might be lonely as the one lunitic in the asylum ( I am trying to speak to you in your language, as it appears to be the only one you understand).
Where is the LOCAL Asylum, as I understand you are allowed extra visits on Easter Sunday.
Posted by: avant-provocateur, LOCAL on 8:35pm Sat 22 Mar 08
John wrote:
CALM DOWN,CALM DOWN...and then I might begin to comprehend what you have written.Though you might be lonely as the one lunitic in the asylum ( I am trying to speak to you in your language, as it appears to be the only one you understand). Where is the LOCAL Asylum, as I understand you are allowed extra visits on Easter Sunday.
Please ask your nurse to explain my comment to you, best before your injection as you don't seem to undersatnd the written word afterwards.
Posted by: avant-provocateur, LOCAL on 10:42pm Sun 23 Mar 08
avant-provocateur wrote:
John wrote: CALM DOWN,CALM DOWN...and then I might begin to comprehend what you have written.Though you might be lonely as the one lunitic in the asylum ( I am trying to speak to you in your language, as it appears to be the only one you understand). Where is the LOCAL Asylum, as I understand you are allowed extra visits on Easter Sunday.
Please ask your nurse to explain my comment to you, best before your injection as you don't seem to undersatnd the written word afterwards.
Given up then dear John? - bet that's not the first 'Dear John' youv'e got either pal.
Posted by: storm, poole on 11:20pm Tue 25 Mar 08
This school should not be closed, the locals should be supported. The education system should be shaken up a bit, the government should bring back discipline in all schools, everywhere. This is very much needed where older children rule the teachers under the present no punishment laws. The importance of maintaining and improving Townsend is to assist low income local residents and further prevent these pupils from being sectioned out. Surely Ofsted is a more supporting body, maybe some teachers could be swapped with other local schools, just to see next years results, there could be significant improvement could there not?
Posted by: bobo, winton on 8:42am Wed 26 Mar 08
The money saved by closing the school could used for putting the remaining taxi drivers through the idiots test
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