For at least five years, the hospital has harvested consenting women's placentas and delivered them to biochemical company Sigma-Aldrich, which then extracts valuable proteins to sell to laboratories.
In return, the company makes an annual donation to the hospital which totalled £5,000 last year alone.
While mothers must sign a consent form to allow their afterbirth to be used, they are told it will go to research into deadly diseases such as cancer and HIV/Aids.
But it has now emerged some of the extracted substances can be used for cosmetic research.
Poole mum Donna Norman, 39, has spoken of her outrage at the realisation the placenta from the birth of fourth child, Milly, could have been used to develop products such as anti-wrinkle cream. She told a national newspaper: "I was under the impression my placenta would only be used for vital medical research, not that it may help make some skin cream or shampoo.
"I feel violated by what I have been through. It feels like they stole it because it was all done on false pretences. It's from my body. It's my DNA and I feel like they tricked it from me."
Mrs Norman, who works in publishing, said she signed a "complicated" consent form after giving birth. "I would never have signed had I known the truth of what was happening," she added.
She added: "We have spoken to Sigma-Aldrich already and asked them to revise the consent form so it is more explicit. We partook in the scheme on the understanding that the placentas would be used for medical research."
She added mothers were given information about the process during ante-natal care and placentas were only ever taken with their consent.
She added: "We do receive a donation for this service, but we are not paid for it as such. The distinction is that even if we didn't receive a donation, we would still offer mothers the opportunity to donate their placentas for research, rather than have them incinerated."
Sigma-Aldrich, which has a facility in Fancy Road, Poole, denied its human placental by-products are used in the manufacture of any cosmetic products, but a spokesman admitted they may be used in their development and testing.
Malcolm Shaw, the firm's regulatory affairs manager, said: "We sell products purely for research and analytical use. However they could be used in cosmetic research."
Placenta material contains high levels of proteins and enzymes which can be extracted and turned into chemical compounds and sold to laboratories. This includes collagen - which can be used in anti-wrinkle creams and hair products. It can cost more than £1,200 a gram.
Alkaline Phosphatase is another by-product which has been used to create a compound to restore the strength of ageing skin. EU law bans the sale of cosmetics containing such human biological products, but not their use in cosmetic research.
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CommentPosted by: 2Much, New Forest on 6:11am Mon 19 May 08
I don't know if i'm missing something here..but i tend to think.."so what!"
Unless you'd agreed to have the placenta made into a paperweight or something, then what is the problem what happens to it afterwards? Is it not better to test on that than live animals?
Unless you're a creature in the New Forest that eats it for beneficial use, then i cannot see the problem..nobody is being deprived here.
I don't know if i'm missing something here..but i tend to think.."so what!"
Unless you'd agreed to have the placenta made into a paperweight or something, then what is the problem what happens to it afterwards? Is it not better to test on that than live animals?
Unless you're a creature in the New Forest that eats it for beneficial use, then i cannot see the problem..nobody is being deprived here.
Posted by: oscar99, bournemouth on 7:34am Mon 19 May 08
mmm onions mmmmmmm lol
Posted by: mumalum, Poole on 9:05am Mon 19 May 08
[quote][bold]2Much[/bold] wrote:
I don't know if i'm missing something here..but i tend to think.."so what!" Unless you'd agreed to have the placenta made into a paperweight or something, then what is the problem what happens to it afterwards? Is it not better to test on that than live animals? Unless you're a creature in the New Forest that eats it for beneficial use, then i cannot see the problem..nobody is being deprived here.[/quote] Thats not the point [bold]2Much[/bold] , the point is we were lied to, having known the truth before hand I would never have given my consent and i'm sure this would be the case for many other new mums.
2Much wrote:
I don't know if i'm missing something here..but i tend to think.."so what!" Unless you'd agreed to have the placenta made into a paperweight or something, then what is the problem what happens to it afterwards? Is it not better to test on that than live animals? Unless you're a creature in the New Forest that eats it for beneficial use, then i cannot see the problem..nobody is being deprived here.
Thats not the point
2Much , the point is we were lied to, having known the truth before hand I would never have given my consent and i'm sure this would be the case for many other new mums.
Posted by: Dave, Bournemouth on 9:50am Mon 19 May 08
This has been going on for many years.
As stated for drugs and cosmetics. Surely it's only aproblem if you plan on keeping it.
How about signing sayiny you want to take it home!
This has been going on for many years.
As stated for drugs and cosmetics. Surely it's only aproblem if you plan on keeping it.
How about signing sayiny you want to take it home!
Posted by: BournPosh, Bournemouth on 11:01am Mon 19 May 08
For goodness sake -there are people dying in the world, people with serious illnesses and all this silly person has to worry about is her placenta being used. Get a life! Get a grip!
For goodness sake -there are people dying in the world, people with serious illnesses and all this silly person has to worry about is her placenta being used. Get a life! Get a grip!
Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 11:09am Mon 19 May 08
I would assume having done its business before the birth, the placenta would be surplus to use after birth, BUT being something something that sustained life before birth would also be advantageous to science in the research towards other medical factors.
If the now useless to you placenta was not used, where would it go, to the incinerator.
If it is another form of research without hurting animals, then so be it.
I would assume having done its business before the birth, the placenta would be surplus to use after birth, BUT being something something that sustained life before birth would also be advantageous to science in the research towards other medical factors.
If the now useless to you placenta was not used, where would it go, to the incinerator.
If it is another form of research without hurting animals, then so be it.
Posted by: E.L.M., Dorset on 11:32am Mon 19 May 08
Presumably those who object will take the placenta home with them.Hmmmm! Dont think so.
Presumably those who object will take the placenta home with them.Hmmmm! Dont think so.
Posted by: blue-eyes, Ferndown on 11:35am Mon 19 May 08
I had my son in Cheltenham hospital a few years ago and was asked if I wanted to take the placenta home and cook it. Apparently it's just like liver, (which I hate) and cures any post natal depression. I told them they could do what they liked with it as I didn't want it. I always thought they were used for medication for post natal depression or cosmetics because being "man made" so to speak, there was less chance of allergic reactions. Isn't recycling what it's all about?
I had my son in Cheltenham hospital a few years ago and was asked if I wanted to take the placenta home and cook it. Apparently it's just like liver, (which I hate) and cures any post natal depression. I told them they could do what they liked with it as I didn't want it. I always thought they were used for medication for post natal depression or cosmetics because being "man made" so to speak, there was less chance of allergic reactions. Isn't recycling what it's all about?
Posted by: dibbles, Bournemouth on 12:50pm Mon 19 May 08
I remember when I had my now 5 year old son, I was asked for consent. Perhaps some of these women in the throws of labour do not remember?
I remember when I had my now 5 year old son, I was asked for consent. Perhaps some of these women in the throws of labour do not remember?
Posted by: MrsAyles, Dorset on 2:02pm Mon 19 May 08
It isn't worrying about the placenta being used - I gave birth in December and as I recall a consent form has to be signed to say you are willing to donate the placenta but the point is that the consent form says that it will be donated for MEDICAL research into things like aids, hiv, cancer etc. no where does it say that it will be used for cosmetic research. It is being misled that is upsetting.
It isn't worrying about the placenta being used - I gave birth in December and as I recall a consent form has to be signed to say you are willing to donate the placenta but the point is that the consent form says that it will be donated for MEDICAL research into things like aids, hiv, cancer etc. no where does it say that it will be used for cosmetic research. It is being misled that is upsetting.
Posted by: Adele, Northbourne on 3:37pm Mon 19 May 08
People are against animal testing so they want alternative solutions. If this is one of the alternatives and it saves a useless laboratory experiment which would only tell if a reaction would happen to a NON HUMAN then all the better.
People are against animal testing so they want alternative solutions. If this is one of the alternatives and it saves a useless laboratory experiment which would only tell if a reaction would happen to a NON HUMAN then all the better.
Posted by: 2Much, New Forest on 3:42pm Mon 19 May 08
[quote][bold]mumalum[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]2Much[/bold] wrote: I don't know if i'm missing something here..but i tend to think.."so what!" Unless you'd agreed to have the placenta made into a paperweight or something, then what is the problem what happens to it afterwards? Is it not better to test on that than live animals? Unless you're a creature in the New Forest that eats it for beneficial use, then i cannot see the problem..nobody is being deprived here.[/quote] Thats not the point [bold]2Much[/bold] , the point is we were lied to, having known the truth before hand I would never have given my consent and i'm sure this would be the case for many other new mums.[/quote] Unfortunately, we're lied to everyday about something. We go shopping to be told on a poster that something is a bargain, when actually, you're lining the pockets of the already rich, while they get 400% on your supposed bargain!
It's a placenta...not £100 you've donated to charity.
mumalum wrote:
2Much wrote: I don't know if i'm missing something here..but i tend to think.."so what!" Unless you'd agreed to have the placenta made into a paperweight or something, then what is the problem what happens to it afterwards? Is it not better to test on that than live animals? Unless you're a creature in the New Forest that eats it for beneficial use, then i cannot see the problem..nobody is being deprived here.
Thats not the point 2Much , the point is we were lied to, having known the truth before hand I would never have given my consent and i'm sure this would be the case for many other new mums.
Unfortunately, we're lied to everyday about something. We go shopping to be told on a poster that something is a bargain, when actually, you're lining the pockets of the already rich, while they get 400% on your supposed bargain!
It's a placenta...not £100 you've donated to charity.
Posted by: godzilla, hamworthy on 3:43pm Mon 19 May 08
As a woman I don't really see a problem where the placenta goes after, if you don't want to donate for research of any kind then don't. As was pointed out it is no use after unless you want to cook it for yourself.
As a woman I don't really see a problem where the placenta goes after, if you don't want to donate for research of any kind then don't. As was pointed out it is no use after unless you want to cook it for yourself.
Posted by: oscar99, bournemouth on 4:05pm Mon 19 May 08
[quote][bold]Christopher[/bold] wrote:
I would assume having done its business before the birth, the placenta would be surplus to use after birth, BUT being something something that sustained life before birth would also be advantageous to science in the research towards other medical factors. If the now useless to you placenta was not used, where would it go, to the incinerator. If it is another form of research without hurting animals, then so be it. [/quote] it would go to the crematoruim as the hospitals are not allowed to sluice or burn the p.o.cs products of conception this incluededs miscaridges some still borns ect
Christopher wrote:
I would assume having done its business before the birth, the placenta would be surplus to use after birth, BUT being something something that sustained life before birth would also be advantageous to science in the research towards other medical factors. If the now useless to you placenta was not used, where would it go, to the incinerator. If it is another form of research without hurting animals, then so be it.
it would go to the crematoruim as the hospitals are not allowed to sluice or burn the p.o.cs products of conception this incluededs miscaridges some still borns ect
Posted by: Vikki27, Poole on 4:49pm Mon 19 May 08
I don't wish to offend anyone here but I have to give my opinion on this.
If you have your baby, alive and well, and if you don't intend to do anything with the placenta, then I can't see why it matters what happens to it!
Put it this way (and given my terrible hayfever at the moment, it's the first comparison that springs to mind!). If you used a tissue and someone wanted it for 'scientific research' and you agreed to it, only to find out it had been used for research into cosmetics, would you *really* give a monkeys?! I get that the placenta is more personal but really, it's unwanted waste from a baby!
I don't wish to offend anyone here but I have to give my opinion on this.
If you have your baby, alive and well, and if you don't intend to do anything with the placenta, then I can't see why it matters what happens to it!
Put it this way (and given my terrible hayfever at the moment, it's the first comparison that springs to mind!). If you used a tissue and someone wanted it for 'scientific research' and you agreed to it, only to find out it had been used for research into cosmetics, would you *really* give a monkeys?! I get that the placenta is more personal but really, it's unwanted waste from a baby!
Posted by: AS~U~R, Poole on 5:20pm Mon 19 May 08
I don't understand it! Violation? That's a bit strong isn't it? For crying out loud, better to be a placenta than a live animal! What would happen to it if it was not used, incinerated that's what. Everyone is quite happy to buy make up and skin creams, research has to be done to make good and safe products. Perhaps people should be told exactly what it is used for, but for goodness sake, making such a fuss about something that will be incinerated is just silly in my opinion!
I don't understand it! Violation? That's a bit strong isn't it? For crying out loud, better to be a placenta than a live animal! What would happen to it if it was not used, incinerated that's what. Everyone is quite happy to buy make up and skin creams, research has to be done to make good and safe products. Perhaps people should be told exactly what it is used for, but for goodness sake, making such a fuss about something that will be incinerated is just silly in my opinion!
Posted by: MrsAyles, Dorset on 5:40pm Mon 19 May 08
I think a lot of you still seem to be missing the point...
As it happens even if I was told the truth that the placenta would be going to cosmetic research rather than medical then I still would have donated it as like you rightly said it would only be incinerated otherwise - the point is that I was lied to which has made me upset as surely I shouldn't have been misled like that?!
I think a lot of you still seem to be missing the point...
As it happens even if I was told the truth that the placenta would be going to cosmetic research rather than medical then I still would have donated it as like you rightly said it would only be incinerated otherwise - the point is that I was lied to which has made me upset as surely I shouldn't have been misled like that?!
Posted by: maznfamily, poole on 6:00pm Mon 19 May 08
I am not bothered with what happens to the placenta after my daughter is born... but it is a shame that mothers are mis-led into thinking they can help scientists find cures. They can do whatever anti-ageing experiments they want with my placenta...whatever they do they will never come up with a safe effective anti-age cream anyway.
I am not bothered with what happens to the placenta after my daughter is born... but it is a shame that mothers are mis-led into thinking they can help scientists find cures. They can do whatever anti-ageing experiments they want with my placenta...whatever they do they will never come up with a safe effective anti-age cream anyway.
Posted by: LizPoole, dorset on 6:49pm Mon 19 May 08
I think that many of you have miss the point. I believe this headline is about "informed consent", NONE of the thousands of women who have signed this so called consent form have actually given there consent to what is taking place; as none have been actually told the truth, they have been deliberate misled with an eleborate letter of deception, we all know someone who has suffered from cancer, and within the control regulation of the nhs, many people who indeed donate; however this is not the case, the hospital have allowed women who have given birth at poole to be exploited for cash!! futher more it is clear that they company are exporting the placentas abroad to countries like China, India, Russia, USA, any more others, company's and individuals are buying these products for any use!! many of these countries do not have the regulation and controls that we have in this country, as a person who works in medicine, I can tell you that placentas are a rich source of many things; including stem cells where have the potential to reproduce live using the DNA from a womens placenta, of course this most unlikely to occurr in this country due to the regulation, however the medical possiblities in unregulated countries go way past face cream and are indeed endless!! Patient be ware, what else is this hospital deceiving us about!!!!
I think that many of you have miss the point. I believe this headline is about "informed consent", NONE of the thousands of women who have signed this so called consent form have actually given there consent to what is taking place; as none have been actually told the truth, they have been deliberate misled with an eleborate letter of deception, we all know someone who has suffered from cancer, and within the control regulation of the nhs, many people who indeed donate; however this is not the case, the hospital have allowed women who have given birth at poole to be exploited for cash!! futher more it is clear that they company are exporting the placentas abroad to countries like China, India, Russia, USA, any more others, company's and individuals are buying these products for any use!! many of these countries do not have the regulation and controls that we have in this country, as a person who works in medicine, I can tell you that placentas are a rich source of many things; including stem cells where have the potential to reproduce live using the DNA from a womens placenta, of course this most unlikely to occurr in this country due to the regulation, however the medical possiblities in unregulated countries go way past face cream and are indeed endless!! Patient be ware, what else is this hospital deceiving us about!!!!
Posted by: nlm, Wimborne on 8:30pm Mon 19 May 08
I don't think many women (myself included) would have been any less likely to sign the consent form if it had mentioned the cosmetic research, but it would have been nice to be given all the relevant information . For some people this is a very emotive issue, and the decision they made was not fully informed as all the facts were not included. Do I remember correctly being told that the other option was to take it home and dispose of it myself if i chose not to sign or was that the after effects of the drugs ?
I don't think many women (myself included) would have been any less likely to sign the consent form if it had mentioned the cosmetic research, but it would have been nice to be given all the relevant information . For some people this is a very emotive issue, and the decision they made was not fully informed as all the facts were not included. Do I remember correctly being told that the other option was to take it home and dispose of it myself if i chose not to sign or was that the after effects of the drugs ?
Posted by: APMF, bournemouth on 10:18pm Mon 19 May 08
I along with a massive % of both men and women use anti-ageing creams and cannot see the harm in this practice. Let's not forget though that this is only one of the things the placenta is used for. If it can save the life of just one person then I fully support this practice. If the mums to be don't like it...don't sign the form.
I along with a massive % of both men and women use anti-ageing creams and cannot see the harm in this practice. Let's not forget though that this is only one of the things the placenta is used for. If it can save the life of just one person then I fully support this practice. If the mums to be don't like it...don't sign the form.
Posted by: Sunshade, Bournemouth on 10:21pm Mon 19 May 08
A lot of people are missing the point. Using placentas for research is fine, but it has to be by INFORMED CONSENT. In this case the women were bring tricked into signing their placentas over with the false promise that they would be used in a cancer research project. In fact they were being sold on for all kinds of research. It makes you wonder what else goes on without informed consent within the NHS.
A lot of people are missing the point. Using placentas for research is fine, but it has to be by INFORMED CONSENT. In this case the women were bring tricked into signing their placentas over with the false promise that they would be used in a cancer research project. In fact they were being sold on for all kinds of research. It makes you wonder what else goes on without informed consent within the NHS.
Posted by: Sunshade, Bournemouth on 10:25pm Mon 19 May 08
[quote][bold]APMF[/bold] wrote:
I along with a massive % of both men and women use anti-ageing creams and cannot see the harm in this practice. Let's not forget though that this is only one of the things the placenta is used for. If it can save the life of just one person then I fully support this practice. If the mums to be don't like it...don't sign the form.[/quote] APMF, you haven't read the article properly! Women couldn't refuse to sign the form as the form was misleading, it was also given to women just after they had had birth and would have been partially under the effects of various anesthetics. Also, rubbing placenta into your face is hardly going to save your life. The only thing proven to be anti-aging in face creams is the sunblock - it was on disptaches last week.
APMF wrote:
I along with a massive % of both men and women use anti-ageing creams and cannot see the harm in this practice. Let's not forget though that this is only one of the things the placenta is used for. If it can save the life of just one person then I fully support this practice. If the mums to be don't like it...don't sign the form.
APMF, you haven't read the article properly! Women couldn't refuse to sign the form as the form was misleading, it was also given to women just after they had had birth and would have been partially under the effects of various anesthetics. Also, rubbing placenta into your face is hardly going to save your life. The only thing proven to be anti-aging in face creams is the sunblock - it was on disptaches last week.
Posted by: LizPoole, dorset on 10:38pm Mon 19 May 08
I do agree, there are some many ingorant people. Women must have all the facts and have the right to object to their DNA and cells going around the world, this was a pure deception- there was no cancer research, the placentas were being sold for cash,to anyone for any purpose with no informed consent obtained.
I do agree, there are some many ingorant people. Women must have all the facts and have the right to object to their DNA and cells going around the world, this was a pure deception- there was no cancer research, the placentas were being sold for cash,to anyone for any purpose with no informed consent obtained.
Posted by: Tim M, usa on 11:17pm Mon 19 May 08
"Women couldn't refuse to sign the form as the form was misleading"
... so why sign it if there is any chance you might misunderstand it? why sign anything at all if you're in pain, under the influence of drugs etc? no one is forcing you to...
"Women couldn't refuse to sign the form as the form was misleading"
... so why sign it if there is any chance you might misunderstand it? why sign anything at all if you're in pain, under the influence of drugs etc? no one is forcing you to...
Posted by: LizPoole, dorset on 9:30am Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]Tim M[/bold] wrote:
"Women couldn't refuse to sign the form as the form was misleading" ... so why sign it if there is any chance you might misunderstand it? why sign anything at all if you're in pain, under the influence of drugs etc? no one is forcing you to...[/quote] Easier said than done, when you are away with the fairies! and a midwife is sticking a form under you nose.
Tim M wrote:
"Women couldn't refuse to sign the form as the form was misleading" ... so why sign it if there is any chance you might misunderstand it? why sign anything at all if you're in pain, under the influence of drugs etc? no one is forcing you to...
Easier said than done, when you are away with the fairies! and a midwife is sticking a form under you nose.
Posted by: Sunshade, Bournemouth on 5:46pm Tue 20 May 08
To those who are trying to make this an animal rights issue - it isn't. Most people are not against testing on placenta derived substances, the issue here is informed consent, so long as this has been gained most people aren't going are going to be okay with it.
To those who are trying to make this an animal rights issue - it isn't. Most people are not against testing on placenta derived substances, the issue here is informed consent, so long as this has been gained most people aren't going are going to be okay with it.
Posted by: Sunshade, Bournemouth on 5:51pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]Tim M[/bold] wrote:
"Women couldn't refuse to sign the form as the form was misleading"
... so why sign it if there is any chance you might misunderstand it? why sign anything at all if you're in pain, under the influence of drugs etc? no one is forcing you to...[/quote] Patients under the influence of drugs are very easily influenced, so in a sense they would be forcing you through moral pressure. You wouldn't have all your faculties or a normal set of emotional responses.
Tim M wrote:
"Women couldn't refuse to sign the form as the form was misleading"
... so why sign it if there is any chance you might misunderstand it? why sign anything at all if you're in pain, under the influence of drugs etc? no one is forcing you to...
Patients under the influence of drugs are very easily influenced, so in a sense they would be forcing you through moral pressure. You wouldn't have all your faculties or a normal set of emotional responses.
Posted by: mick, Poole on 9:46pm Tue 20 May 08
Why isn't anyone questioning the morals of the company who sell on the placentas? If the Hospital was told that the placentas were to be used for medical research only, it is hardly their fault. I would of thought the midwives would only ask the mother before labour became too progressed. Many people are too quick too blame the health service for every little thing. Just think how much they do and how much we would have too pay without the NHS. I think people are blowing this out of proportion.
Why isn't anyone questioning the morals of the company who sell on the placentas? If the Hospital was told that the placentas were to be used for medical research only, it is hardly their fault. I would of thought the midwives would only ask the mother before labour became too progressed. Many people are too quick too blame the health service for every little thing. Just think how much they do and how much we would have too pay without the NHS. I think people are blowing this out of proportion.
Posted by: Badger, Poole on 2:09pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]LizPoole[/bold] wrote:
I think that many of you have miss the point. I believe this headline is about "informed consent", NONE of the thousands of women who have signed this so called consent form have actually given there consent to what is taking place; as none have been actually told the truth, they have been deliberate misled with an eleborate letter of deception, we all know someone who has suffered from cancer, and within the control regulation of the nhs, many people who indeed donate; however this is not the case, the hospital have allowed women who have given birth at poole to be exploited for cash!! futher more it is clear that they company are exporting the placentas abroad to countries like China, India, Russia, USA, any more others, company's and individuals are buying these products for any use!! many of these countries do not have the regulation and controls that we have in this country, as a person who works in medicine, I can tell you that placentas are a rich source of many things; including stem cells where have the potential to reproduce live using the DNA from a womens placenta, of course this most unlikely to occurr in this country due to the regulation, however the medical possiblities in unregulated countries go way past face cream and are indeed endless!! Patient be ware, what else is this hospital deceiving us about!!!![/quote] [italic]"...what else is this hospital deceiving us about[/italic] "?...probably no more than just about every politician, bank, building society and human being on the planet is decieving us...
Stop getting your knickers in a twist over nothing and remember that there are lots of bigger problems out there... Like Cyclones, earthquakes and the poor little girl who starved to death in Birmingham this week. People who whinge on about 'being misled' really should wake up a take a look around at whats happening in the world. Oh, and dont forget to read the small print next time, because Sigma-Aldrich, not the hospital misled you. My youngest daugther was born at Poole Hospital and I have nothing but praise and thanks for [bold]all[/bold] the staff there.
LizPoole wrote:
I think that many of you have miss the point. I believe this headline is about "informed consent", NONE of the thousands of women who have signed this so called consent form have actually given there consent to what is taking place; as none have been actually told the truth, they have been deliberate misled with an eleborate letter of deception, we all know someone who has suffered from cancer, and within the control regulation of the nhs, many people who indeed donate; however this is not the case, the hospital have allowed women who have given birth at poole to be exploited for cash!! futher more it is clear that they company are exporting the placentas abroad to countries like China, India, Russia, USA, any more others, company's and individuals are buying these products for any use!! many of these countries do not have the regulation and controls that we have in this country, as a person who works in medicine, I can tell you that placentas are a rich source of many things; including stem cells where have the potential to reproduce live using the DNA from a womens placenta, of course this most unlikely to occurr in this country due to the regulation, however the medical possiblities in unregulated countries go way past face cream and are indeed endless!! Patient be ware, what else is this hospital deceiving us about!!!!
"...what else is this hospital deceiving us about "?...probably no more than just about every politician, bank, building society and human being on the planet is decieving us...
Stop getting your knickers in a twist over nothing and remember that there are lots of bigger problems out there... Like Cyclones, earthquakes and the poor little girl who starved to death in Birmingham this week. People who whinge on about 'being misled' really should wake up a take a look around at whats happening in the world. Oh, and dont forget to read the small print next time, because Sigma-Aldrich, not the hospital misled you. My youngest daugther was born at Poole Hospital and I have nothing but praise and thanks for
all the staff there.
Posted by: berkaluc, bournemouth on 10:35pm Thu 22 May 08
the thing i find upsetting is that after i lost my baby who was still born due to a placenta abruption, my placenta would be sent off for medical reasearch to help mothers like me to go on and have a child with the knowledge of the medical staff to know what is likely to happen and how they can prevent a case like this again... that is what has annoyed me.. i will never know the truth now.
the thing i find upsetting is that after i lost my baby who was still born due to a placenta abruption, my placenta would be sent off for medical reasearch to help mothers like me to go on and have a child with the knowledge of the medical staff to know what is likely to happen and how they can prevent a case like this again... that is what has annoyed me.. i will never know the truth now.
Posted by: BournemouthGirl, Dorset on 1:42pm Sat 24 May 08
How narrow minded and selfish are you? Every women is entitled to know the FULL FACTS, before they that sign. It is the NHS's responsibility to check and ensure that the information people receive is correct. The priciple of patients giving informed consent is fundamental! Furthermore there is no small print on the form telling patients that their placentals are being sold for comestics, the information is completely omitted, people are conned into thinking that the are helping to facilite NHS research, it completely misleading and unacceptable, and the company Sigma are making MILLIONS- from the trade!Women must be given the right to know the full facts and object if they wish.
How narrow minded and selfish are you? Every women is entitled to know the FULL FACTS, before they that sign. It is the NHS's responsibility to check and ensure that the information people receive is correct. The priciple of patients giving informed consent is fundamental! Furthermore there is no small print on the form telling patients that their placentals are being sold for comestics, the information is completely omitted, people are conned into thinking that the are helping to facilite NHS research, it completely misleading and unacceptable, and the company Sigma are making MILLIONS- from the trade!Women must be given the right to know the full facts and object if they wish.
Posted by: BournemouthGirl, Dorset on 1:54pm Sat 24 May 08
[quote][bold]Badger[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]LizPoole[/bold] wrote: I think that many of you have miss the point. I believe this headline is about "informed consent", NONE of the thousands of women who have signed this so called consent form have actually given there consent to what is taking place; as none have been actually told the truth, they have been deliberate misled with an eleborate letter of deception, we all know someone who has suffered from cancer, and within the control regulation of the nhs, many people who indeed donate; however this is not the case, the hospital have allowed women who have given birth at poole to be exploited for cash!! futher more it is clear that they company are exporting the placentas abroad to countries like China, India, Russia, USA, any more others, company's and individuals are buying these products for any use!! many of these countries do not have the regulation and controls that we have in this country, as a person who works in medicine, I can tell you that placentas are a rich source of many things; including stem cells where have the potential to reproduce live using the DNA from a womens placenta, of course this most unlikely to occurr in this country due to the regulation, however the medical possiblities in unregulated countries go way past face cream and are indeed endless!! Patient be ware, what else is this hospital deceiving us about!!!![/quote] [italic]"...what else is this hospital deceiving us about[/italic] "?...probably no more than just about every politician, bank, building society and human being on the planet is decieving us... Stop getting your knickers in a twist over nothing and remember that there are lots of bigger problems out there... Like Cyclones, earthquakes and the poor little girl who starved to death in Birmingham this week. People who whinge on about 'being misled' really should wake up a take a look around at whats happening in the world. Oh, and dont forget to read the small print next time, because Sigma-Aldrich, not the hospital misled you. My youngest daugther was born at Poole Hospital and I have nothing but praise and thanks for [bold]all[/bold] the staff there.[/quote] Please see my comment posted at 1.42 24 May 08, I think that this is a very selfish point of view, people should be told the truth,before hand otherwise like the lady with the placental abruption you feel upset, misled and cheated.
Badger wrote:
LizPoole wrote: I think that many of you have miss the point. I believe this headline is about "informed consent", NONE of the thousands of women who have signed this so called consent form have actually given there consent to what is taking place; as none have been actually told the truth, they have been deliberate misled with an eleborate letter of deception, we all know someone who has suffered from cancer, and within the control regulation of the nhs, many people who indeed donate; however this is not the case, the hospital have allowed women who have given birth at poole to be exploited for cash!! futher more it is clear that they company are exporting the placentas abroad to countries like China, India, Russia, USA, any more others, company's and individuals are buying these products for any use!! many of these countries do not have the regulation and controls that we have in this country, as a person who works in medicine, I can tell you that placentas are a rich source of many things; including stem cells where have the potential to reproduce live using the DNA from a womens placenta, of course this most unlikely to occurr in this country due to the regulation, however the medical possiblities in unregulated countries go way past face cream and are indeed endless!! Patient be ware, what else is this hospital deceiving us about!!!!
"...what else is this hospital deceiving us about "?...probably no more than just about every politician, bank, building society and human being on the planet is decieving us... Stop getting your knickers in a twist over nothing and remember that there are lots of bigger problems out there... Like Cyclones, earthquakes and the poor little girl who starved to death in Birmingham this week. People who whinge on about 'being misled' really should wake up a take a look around at whats happening in the world. Oh, and dont forget to read the small print next time, because Sigma-Aldrich, not the hospital misled you. My youngest daugther was born at Poole Hospital and I have nothing but praise and thanks for all the staff there.
Please see my comment posted at 1.42 24 May 08, I think that this is a very selfish point of view, people should be told the truth,before hand otherwise like the lady with the placental abruption you feel upset, misled and cheated.
Posted by: Sunshade, Bournemouth on 4:15pm Sat 24 May 08
[quote][bold]Badger[/bold] wrote "...what else is this hospital deceiving us about "?...probably no more than just about every politician, bank, building society and human being on the planet is decieving us... Stop getting your knickers in a twist over nothing and remember that there are lots of bigger problems out there... Like Cyclones, earthquakes and the poor little girl who starved to death in Birmingham this week. People who whinge on about 'being misled' really should wake up a take a look around at whats happening in the world. Oh, and dont forget to read the small print next time, because Sigma-Aldrich, not the hospital misled you. My youngest daugther was born at Poole Hospital and I have nothing but praise and thanks for all the staff there.[/quote]
Badger, do you work for Poole hospital or something? There are earthquakes in parts of the world and children are being abused, but there is also corruption and deception within our public services and government and it's wishful thinkers like you, in a state of denial about it who allow it to go on. Also on the form in question it only had NHS logos, Sigma-Aldrich were not even mentioned, so you are entirely wrong, it was the hospital misleading us not company (although I feel they should have checked what the hospital was doing). Finally as has been pointed out the form was presented just after the birth, mothers, many of them still under the effects of drugs are in no position to read small print (of which there isn't any anyway). You seem to be one of those people who conjurers up a make believe world where everyone has good intentions - this is a very dangerous state of denial to be in and allows people to get away with murder.
Badger wrote "...what else is this hospital deceiving us about "?...probably no more than just about every politician, bank, building society and human being on the planet is decieving us... Stop getting your knickers in a twist over nothing and remember that there are lots of bigger problems out there... Like Cyclones, earthquakes and the poor little girl who starved to death in Birmingham this week. People who whinge on about 'being misled' really should wake up a take a look around at whats happening in the world. Oh, and dont forget to read the small print next time, because Sigma-Aldrich, not the hospital misled you. My youngest daugther was born at Poole Hospital and I have nothing but praise and thanks for all the staff there.
Badger, do you work for Poole hospital or something? There are earthquakes in parts of the world and children are being abused, but there is also corruption and deception within our public services and government and it's wishful thinkers like you, in a state of denial about it who allow it to go on. Also on the form in question it only had NHS logos, Sigma-Aldrich were not even mentioned, so you are entirely wrong, it was the hospital misleading us not company (although I feel they should have checked what the hospital was doing). Finally as has been pointed out the form was presented just after the birth, mothers, many of them still under the effects of drugs are in no position to read small print (of which there isn't any anyway). You seem to be one of those people who conjurers up a make believe world where everyone has good intentions - this is a very dangerous state of denial to be in and allows people to get away with murder.
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