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A DORSET police leader has accused the government of "dithering at the highest level" over funding for policing the Olympics in 2012.
The county's Police Federation leader Clive Chamberlain demanded answers from senior officers at the organisation's Bournemouth conference.
He urged Tarique Ghaffur, assistant commissioner of the Metropolitan Police and the most senior officer involved in Olympic planning, to give an indication how much Dorset will receive towards hosting the sailing events in Weymouth and Portland.
And the thousands of delegates burst into laughter when he said: "It looks as if it is going to be policed by a couple of Police Community Support Officers on jet skis."
Mr Ghaffur told Mr Chamberlain: "The same point is being made very forcibly by Martin Baker, the chief constable of Dorset.
"Real certainty will not come before the end of the year but be assured that you will not patrol the sailing on jet skis."
Dorset has asked for £21 million. Afterwards Mr Chamberlain told the Daily Echo: "It is unacceptable that we have not heard about funding yet. The concern is that the burden could fall on the people of Dorset. How are we going to provide a professional approach to such a huge challenge when we do not know if we are getting any extra money, how much, or when? We are already the second lowest funded force in the country.
"We are not satisfied with the response. They probably think all they are dealing with is a donkey derby."
7:00pm Wednesday 21st May 2008
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CommentPosted by: derek, dorset on 7:33pm Wed 21 May 08
Well this guy just lost 10 points
And the thousands of delegates burst into laughter when he said: "It looks as if it is going to be policed by a couple of Police Community Support Officers on jet skis."
PCSO's do a good job and they should not be degraded in public like this.
Well this guy just lost 10 points
And the thousands of delegates burst into laughter when he said: "It looks as if it is going to be policed by a couple of Police Community Support Officers on jet skis."
PCSO's do a good job and they should not be degraded in public like this.
Posted by: MIG, Poole on 7:54pm Wed 21 May 08
[quote][bold]derek[/bold] wrote:
Well this guy just lost 10 points
And the thousands of delegates burst into laughter when he said: "It looks as if it is going to be policed by a couple of Police Community Support Officers on jet skis."
PCSO's do a good job and they should not be degraded in public like this.[/quote] In defence of Clive it does pay to bear in mind that PCSOs cost less to field than a fully trained and authorised Police Officer, Jet skis also cost less to run that MV Alarm (or whatever they use nowadays)
It's called a 'sound bite' - it is intended to get the attention of the media, and in this case it obviously worked.
Just a thought - Can anyone tell me whether Police Community Support Officers are actually sworn in as Officers of the Crown or is the word Officer just used as a handy name without real meaning?
derek wrote:
Well this guy just lost 10 points
And the thousands of delegates burst into laughter when he said: "It looks as if it is going to be policed by a couple of Police Community Support Officers on jet skis."
PCSO's do a good job and they should not be degraded in public like this.
In defence of Clive it does pay to bear in mind that PCSOs cost less to field than a fully trained and authorised Police Officer, Jet skis also cost less to run that MV Alarm (or whatever they use nowadays)
It's called a 'sound bite' - it is intended to get the attention of the media, and in this case it obviously worked.
Just a thought - Can anyone tell me whether Police Community Support Officers are actually sworn in as Officers of the Crown or is the word Officer just used as a handy name without real meaning?
Posted by: derek, dorset on 7:58pm Wed 21 May 08
The remark should be not made in public if this leads to other Police thinking the same it is just another case of bullying at work .
To sort out the water policing why not just park a nice big frigate of the coast like they do at cowes week ?. Let the police handle the traffic jams and bully the PCSO's
The remark should be not made in public if this leads to other Police thinking the same it is just another case of bullying at work .
To sort out the water policing why not just park a nice big frigate of the coast like they do at cowes week ?. Let the police handle the traffic jams and bully the PCSO's
Posted by: derek, dorset on 8:00pm Wed 21 May 08
The remark should be not made in public if this leads to other Police thinking the same it is just another case of bullying at work .
To sort out the water policing why not just park a nice big frigate of the coast like they do at cowes week ?. Let the police handle the traffic jams and bully the PCSO's
The remark should be not made in public if this leads to other Police thinking the same it is just another case of bullying at work .
To sort out the water policing why not just park a nice big frigate of the coast like they do at cowes week ?. Let the police handle the traffic jams and bully the PCSO's
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 8:07pm Wed 21 May 08
It is well known that pc's do not like pcso's,probably because for a little bit more cash the public could have fully trained officers,with full powers of arrest.Unfortunately however dedicated pcso's are, the yobs well know the limits of their powers.
It is well known that pc's do not like pcso's,probably because for a little bit more cash the public could have fully trained officers,with full powers of arrest.Unfortunately however dedicated pcso's are, the yobs well know the limits of their powers.
Posted by: Clarance, Bournemouth on 8:29pm Wed 21 May 08
Clive made a sound and resoned comment with the edge of houmour. PCSO are cheaper than PC's and a jet ski is cheaper than the launch or a RIB. It got people talking and has raised the issue of funding for this event - well done Clive!
Clive made a sound and resoned comment with the edge of houmour. PCSO are cheaper than PC's and a jet ski is cheaper than the launch or a RIB. It got people talking and has raised the issue of funding for this event - well done Clive!
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 8:47pm Wed 21 May 08
[quote][bold]Clarance[/bold] wrote:
Clive made a sound and resoned comment with the edge of houmour. PCSO are cheaper than PC's and a jet ski is cheaper than the launch or a RIB. It got people talking and has raised the issue of funding for this event - well done Clive![/quote] CLARANCE are you a plod,you certainly know how to c===p.
Clarance wrote:
Clive made a sound and resoned comment with the edge of houmour. PCSO are cheaper than PC's and a jet ski is cheaper than the launch or a RIB. It got people talking and has raised the issue of funding for this event - well done Clive!
CLARANCE are you a plod,you certainly know how to c===p.
Posted by: RK, dorset on 9:07pm Wed 21 May 08
well done Clive, top speech! careful though, I reckon the donkey sanctuary will be on here in a bit moaning about your comments too!
well done Clive, top speech! careful though, I reckon the donkey sanctuary will be on here in a bit moaning about your comments too!
Posted by: derek, dorset on 9:17pm Wed 21 May 08
Nothing wrong with donkeys , he just put in another 21 mill request for the mounted division.
Nothing wrong with donkeys , he just put in another 21 mill request for the mounted division.
Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 12:33am Thu 22 May 08
The point the Police are trying to raise here is the financial support for the Olympic Games, and to find answers as to why our illustrious government are sat on their laurels and not giving these answers. Is it not obvious that Dorset Police want to give the best, but they cannot do this without knowing the financial resources.
Yet another thing our government can not do or sort out. If it is not the Police pay issue, or the Olympic Games Policing, what next. Yet they can give out £110bn to bring back Northern Rock.
Derek, facts. The Cowes Week has not had a frigate guardship for some time now, since the Royal Yacht was removed. The frigate guarded the Yacht and the Royal Family. The Trinity House vessel Patricia is the Cowes Week guardship.
The point the Police are trying to raise here is the financial support for the Olympic Games, and to find answers as to why our illustrious government are sat on their laurels and not giving these answers. Is it not obvious that Dorset Police want to give the best, but they cannot do this without knowing the financial resources.
Yet another thing our government can not do or sort out. If it is not the Police pay issue, or the Olympic Games Policing, what next. Yet they can give out £110bn to bring back Northern Rock.
Derek, facts. The Cowes Week has not had a frigate guardship for some time now, since the Royal Yacht was removed. The frigate guarded the Yacht and the Royal Family. The Trinity House vessel Patricia is the Cowes Week guardship.
Posted by: APMF, bournemouth on 3:31am Thu 22 May 08
Sounds to me like Derek is one of these PCSO'S Well unfortunately they are NOT police officers and like it or not the majority of the general public have no respect for them. They are more arrogant and up themselves than your average copper. By dressing these wannabes in a pretent police uniform does not make them something special as they would like to think. If you want to become a copper then do the hard work that the real one's have done and get yourselves off the pedestal that you PCSO'S have put yourselves on.
Sounds to me like Derek is one of these PCSO'S Well unfortunately they are NOT police officers and like it or not the majority of the general public have no respect for them. They are more arrogant and up themselves than your average copper. By dressing these wannabes in a pretent police uniform does not make them something special as they would like to think. If you want to become a copper then do the hard work that the real one's have done and get yourselves off the pedestal that you PCSO'S have put yourselves on.
Posted by: RK, dorset on 7:26am Thu 22 May 08
hang on APMF, they're not all like that. dorset police aren't recruiting police officers, and haven't been for quite a while. The PCSO job is sometimes an alternative before they can become "real" officers. As in every job in the world, some are very good....some not so.
hang on APMF, they're not all like that. dorset police aren't recruiting police officers, and haven't been for quite a while. The PCSO job is sometimes an alternative before they can become "real" officers. As in every job in the world, some are very good....some not so.
Posted by: derek, dorset on 9:43am Thu 22 May 08
No Derek is a Director and would have strong words with any staff found bullying or making fun of another employee status / contribution to the company .
No Derek is a Director and would have strong words with any staff found bullying or making fun of another employee status / contribution to the company .
Posted by: JLC, here on 12:58pm Thu 22 May 08
21 million to police a sailing event that lasts for two weeks. Are you having a laugh? What are they going to do? Drive around in sunseekers?
21 million to police a sailing event that lasts for two weeks. Are you having a laugh? What are they going to do? Drive around in sunseekers?
Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 1:27pm Thu 22 May 08
Obviously someone else who does not know the impact of the Olympic watersports will bring to Weymouth and Dorset.
I think even you JLC would have known it goes far beyond the actual sailing events.
Obviously someone else who does not know the impact of the Olympic watersports will bring to Weymouth and Dorset.
I think even you JLC would have known it goes far beyond the actual sailing events.
Posted by: Dorset Red, Dorset on 2:21pm Thu 22 May 08
I think people should stop complaining about PCSO's and the like unless they are prepared to pay the taxes required to reqruit sufficient numbers of properly qualified and trained police officers.
Over recent decades we have see the introduction of Nursing Assistants, Teaching Assistants and now PCSOs. While I don't want to denegrate the hard work that these wonderfully committed people do, these roles were all created to try to get the work of professionals done on the cheap. They have enabled governments to keep taxes down and employ fewer highly trained professionals.
My own view is that this has been a false economy as I think many people would agree that standards in education, the health services and policing have hardly soared in recent years.
However, it's high time that the people who moan about such things at the same time as complaining about paying taxes decided how on earth you get a high standard of service without paying for it.
You can't have it both ways.
I think people should stop complaining about PCSO's and the like unless they are prepared to pay the taxes required to reqruit sufficient numbers of properly qualified and trained police officers.
Over recent decades we have see the introduction of Nursing Assistants, Teaching Assistants and now PCSOs. While I don't want to denegrate the hard work that these wonderfully committed people do, these roles were all created to try to get the work of professionals done on the cheap. They have enabled governments to keep taxes down and employ fewer highly trained professionals.
My own view is that this has been a false economy as I think many people would agree that standards in education, the health services and policing have hardly soared in recent years.
However, it's high time that the people who moan about such things at the same time as complaining about paying taxes decided how on earth you get a high standard of service without paying for it.
You can't have it both ways.
Posted by: Jerry, poole, dorset on 6:46pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]Dorset Red[/bold] wrote:
I think people should stop complaining about PCSO's and the like unless they are prepared to pay the taxes required to reqruit sufficient numbers of properly qualified and trained police officers. Over recent decades we have see the introduction of Nursing Assistants, Teaching Assistants and now PCSOs. While I don't want to denegrate the hard work that these wonderfully committed people do, these roles were all created to try to get the work of professionals done on the cheap. They have enabled governments to keep taxes down and employ fewer highly trained professionals. My own view is that this has been a false economy as I think many people would agree that standards in education, the health services and policing have hardly soared in recent years. However, it's high time that the people who moan about such things at the same time as complaining about paying taxes decided how on earth you get a high standard of service without paying for it. You can't have it both ways.[/quote] The same sort of thing has happened in Ambulance Services around the UK, with the introduction of "Emergency Care Assistants" to replace Ambulance Technicians.
Traditionally, Ambulance Technicians could progress to Paramedic through their regular employment as a Technician. Now (apart from existing Technicians), all Paramedics must be trained at University by undergoing a two year Diploma course (with NO previous experience of ambulance work).
Emergency Care Assistants (ECA's)are on a Pay Band lower than Technicians (cost cutting), and do not need to be trained by the Ambulance Service to Paramedic level (cost cutting again). However, completing the Diploma course does not guarantee employment as a Paramedic, because at no time during training are the students acually employed by the Ambulance Service. They will have to apply for jobs and hope for the best, similar to Degree qualified Nurses.
ECA's can, in due course, complete the University course by leaving the Ambulance Service and becoming a student (on a student bursary), or may eventually be able to qualify when an Open University Course is made available, in their own time while still working full time.
Dorset Red wrote:
I think people should stop complaining about PCSO's and the like unless they are prepared to pay the taxes required to reqruit sufficient numbers of properly qualified and trained police officers. Over recent decades we have see the introduction of Nursing Assistants, Teaching Assistants and now PCSOs. While I don't want to denegrate the hard work that these wonderfully committed people do, these roles were all created to try to get the work of professionals done on the cheap. They have enabled governments to keep taxes down and employ fewer highly trained professionals. My own view is that this has been a false economy as I think many people would agree that standards in education, the health services and policing have hardly soared in recent years. However, it's high time that the people who moan about such things at the same time as complaining about paying taxes decided how on earth you get a high standard of service without paying for it. You can't have it both ways.
The same sort of thing has happened in Ambulance Services around the UK, with the introduction of "Emergency Care Assistants" to replace Ambulance Technicians.
Traditionally, Ambulance Technicians could progress to Paramedic through their regular employment as a Technician. Now (apart from existing Technicians), all Paramedics must be trained at University by undergoing a two year Diploma course (with NO previous experience of ambulance work).
Emergency Care Assistants (ECA's)are on a Pay Band lower than Technicians (cost cutting), and do not need to be trained by the Ambulance Service to Paramedic level (cost cutting again). However, completing the Diploma course does not guarantee employment as a Paramedic, because at no time during training are the students acually employed by the Ambulance Service. They will have to apply for jobs and hope for the best, similar to Degree qualified Nurses.
ECA's can, in due course, complete the University course by leaving the Ambulance Service and becoming a student (on a student bursary), or may eventually be able to qualify when an Open University Course is made available, in their own time while still working full time.
Posted by: Jerry, poole, dorset on 6:48pm Thu 22 May 08
I should add, ECA's who qualify as Paramedics are also given no guarantee of employment as a Paramedic.
I should add, ECA's who qualify as Paramedics are also given no guarantee of employment as a Paramedic.
Posted by: Clarance, Bournemouth on 12:03am Fri 23 May 08
[quote][bold]PETE WOODLEY[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Clarance[/bold] wrote: Clive made a sound and resoned comment with the edge of houmour. PCSO are cheaper than PC's and a jet ski is cheaper than the launch or a RIB. It got people talking and has raised the issue of funding for this event - well done Clive![/quote] CLARANCE are you a plod,you certainly know how to c===p.[/quote] A person of few words, (sic or sick), and little respect of other people's view.
PETE WOODLEY wrote:
Clarance wrote: Clive made a sound and resoned comment with the edge of houmour. PCSO are cheaper than PC's and a jet ski is cheaper than the launch or a RIB. It got people talking and has raised the issue of funding for this event - well done Clive!
CLARANCE are you a plod,you certainly know how to c===p.
A person of few words, (sic or sick), and little respect of other people's view.
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